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.: ように言う (you ni iu) | 2004-03-15 01:17AM :.
ように言う (you ni iu)
Basic meanings: say/tell ~; say ~ in such a way that
Comments: Tell someone in such a way that he will do something
Key sentence:

先生は生徒に宿題をするように言た。
sensei wa seito ni syukudai o suru you ni itta.
The teacher told his students to do homework.

Formation: (dictionary-form verb) ように {言う, 頼む, 命じる, etc}

来るように言う
kuru you ni iu

Additional examples:
  1. 田中さんは山本さんにすぐ来るように言た。
    tanaka-san wa yamamoto-san ni sugu kuru you ni itta.
    Mr. Tanaka told Mr. Yamamoto to come right away.
  2. 坂本さんは雪江に図書館の前で待っているように言た。
    sakamoto-san wa yukie ni tosyokan no mae de matte iru you ni itta.
    Mr. Sakamoto told Yukie to be waiting in front of the library.
  3. スミスさんに明日朝九時に来るように言て下さい。
    sumisu-san ni asita asa kuji ni kuru you ni itte kudasai.
    Please tell Mr. Smith to be here at 9:00 tomorrow morning.
Usage notes:

This form is an alternative to the direct quotation form (と{言う, 頼む, 命じる, etc}). Just like in English, where you can say "John told Steve 'Come to my office.'" and "John told Steve to go to his office." (the first using a direct quotation and the second not), it's more natural to use an indirect quotation in many situations. See the following sentences:

  • Direct quotation:
    田中さんは山本さんに「すぐ来なさい」と言た。
    tanaka-san wa yamamoto-san ni "sugu kinasai" to itta.
    Mr. Tanaka told Mr. Yamamoto "come right away".

    Indirect quotation:
    田中さんは山本さんにすぐ来るように言た。
    tanaka-san wa yamamoto-san ni sugu kuru you ni itta.
    Mr. Tanaka told Mr. Yamamoto to come right away.
  • Direct quotation:
    ジョンさんは「私も行く」と言た。
    jon-san wa "watasi mo iku" to itta.
    Jon said "I'll go too."

    Indirect quotation:
    ジョンさんも行くと言た。
    jon-san mo iku to itta.
    Jon said he's going too.
  • Direct quotation (said by Mr. Ogawa):
    山田さんに「小川の事務所に出来るだけ速く行きなさい」と言てください。
    yamada-san ni "ogawa no jimusyo ni dekiru dake hayaku ikinasai" to itte kudasai.
    Please tell Mr. Yamada "Go to Ogawa's office as soon as possible."

    Indirect quotation (said by Mr. Ogawa):
    山田さんに私の事務所に出来るだけ速く来るように言てください。
    yamada-san ni watasi no jimusyo ni dekiru dake hayaku kuru you ni itte kudasai.
    Please tell Mr. Yamada to come to my office as soon as possible.
Comments
.: Great! | 2012-02-02 02:02AM :.
Hey, this is great. I don't know if this is your original material or what but it really sorted out this issue which I was having trouble with until now.
Arigtou ne!
an anonymous Ru
.: RE: Great! | 2012-03-19 08:16PM :.
I had planned to post an article every week, but sadly, I was too unmotivated to write more. :-( But I'm glad it helped!
.: | 2013-10-16 01:27PM :.
In all of these examples use of “ように言う” seem to be limited to commands. Is this coincidental or is it only grammatically correct to use it this way?
an anonymous andrew
.: RE: | 2013-10-29 02:52PM :.
Hi, Andrew. It's been a long time since I've studied Japanese, so I can't give you a definitive answer, but I believe that ように言う is only used to ask people to do things. Take care!
.: | 2015-08-17 05:45PM :.
Can you abbreviate "you ni" to "you"? For example: 彼は彼女に公園で待つように言った。 "Kare ha kanojo ni kouen de matsu you ni itta." (He told her to wait in the park.) can you say 彼は彼女に公園で待つよう言った。 "Kare ha kanojo ni kouen de matsu you itta."?
Is it the same thing or is "you" different from "you ni" in this context?
Thank you for your time and excuse me if there are mistakes or something is not grammatically correct, English is not my first language.
an anonymous Umi
.: RE: | 2015-08-18 11:40AM :.
Hi, Umi. I'm sorry, but I haven't studied Japanese for more than 10 years, and I've forgotten most of it. That said, I haven't heard of people abbreviating "you ni" to "you", so I'd recommend against it. But I can't say for sure...

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